Q from David Cabrera, Worcester
Park, Surrey, U.K., 30 June 2003: Which
other England capped players apart from David Beckham and Steve McManaman have
also played for Real Madrid?
from PY. Only the late, great Laurie Cunningham, who played three times for England in
1980 while with Real Madrid. Laurie
became the second black player to appear for England when he made his debut
while with West Bromwich Albion in the scoreless draw with Wales at Wembley on 23
May 1979. He earned six caps in 1979 and 1980. He was killed in a
car crash near Madrid on 15 July 1989. Beckham, of course, has not yet
appeared for England as a Real Madrid player; in fact, his transfer to Real will
not become final until later this week.
from Peter Passant, Sydney, Australia, 17 June 2003. One of your Q & A responses was for the Great Britain
lineup in the 1947 match against the Rest of Europe. Do you know what the Rest of
Europe lineup was and who scored their solitary goal?
from PY. Our answer to that question said, "We have
devoted to England players who have appeared for international representative
selections, and it has the summaries for this match and many others."
The link under "a section" was put there to be clicked, and if you
click it, you'll find the information you want. Readers, please pay
attention; we're tired of answering questions already answered on the website.
Q from Alex,
Manchester, England, 12 June 2003: I
am trying to find out the attendance for the England v USA 'B' International
that was played at Old Trafford on 13th or 14th October 1980?
It was played
on the 14th of October, 1980, with England winning 1-0 on Derek Statham's
51st minute header from David Armstrong's cross. The attendance was 7,176,
which the Football Association described as "[a] fairly reasonable crowd."
We haven't yet posted a list of England B team results, but hope to do so.
Postcript from CG:
And here it
Q. from Paul Ellse, Derby, England, 10 June 2003:
Who scored England's 1000th goal?
Not everyone will agree with this answer.
As our website's article on
official and unofficial matches points out, FIFA and the International
Federation of Football History and Statistics differ from the Football
Association over which matches are official and which are unofficial.
Four of these disputed matches were played before 23 November 1960.
FIFA regards as unofficial the second 1923 match against Sweden and both the 1938 and 1953 matches against the
Rest of Europe, while the F.A. regards them
as official. FIFA regards as
official the first 1902 match against Scotland (the Ibrox Park disaster match), while the F.A. regards
it as unofficial. We have followed the F.A. designation of matches as official
A from PY. We couldn't find this anywhere and so did the calculations
ourselves from our database of England's results.
England's 1,000th goal was their
first in the 5-1 British Championship victory against Wales at Wembley on 23
November 1960. That goal was scored
by--who else?--Jimmy Greaves. It
came in England's 345th match.
from Stephen Smith, Enfield, London, U.K., 1 June 2003:
Could you tell me England's
longest unbeaten run, including friendlies?
from PY. The longest unbeaten
streak is the 20 matches played between the 3-2 home loss to Scotland on 13
April 1889 and the 2-1 away loss to Scotland on 4 April
1896. England's record during this
seven-year streak was 16 wins, 4 losses.
In those days, of course, they played only three times per year, once
each against the other home countries, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, in the
British Championship. Of
these 20 matches, 9 were played at
World War II, the longest unbeaten streak is the 19 matches played between
the 3-2 home friendly loss to Austria on 20 October 1965 and the 3-2 home
British Championship loss to Scotland on 15 April 1967. England's record during this 18-month streak, which included
the 1966 World Cup, was 16 wins and three draws.
Of the 19 matches, 12 were played at home.
The third longest unbeaten streak is
the 18 matches played between the 2-1 away loss to Scotland on 7 April 1906 and
the 2-0 away loss to Scotland on 2 April 1910. England's record during
this four-year streak, which included the first matches against Continental
European opposition in 1908 and 1909, was 14 wins, 4 losses. Of these 18
matches, only 7 were played at home.
had a 17-match unbeaten streak between the 3-1 loss to the U.S.S.R. at
the European Championship final tournament in West Germany on 18 June 1988 and
the 2-1 friendly loss to Uruguay at Wembley on 22 May 1990.
during this 23-month streak was 10 wins, 7 draws.
Of these 17 matches, 10
were played at home.
from Ken Agnew, location not given, 22 May 2003: A player who has parents of different nationalities may choose which of
those nations he plays for.
Having chosen the country of one parent, may he change the country he
decided on and then play for the country of his other parent?
Whatever the rules are, do they apply to all countries and, if so, from
any player ever played for another country and also played for England?
A from PY:
moved the answer to this question to
own page since
national team eligibility is
reoccurring question from our readers.
Q from Alan Grewcock, Sunderland,
U.K., 12 May 2003: Which player’s first four caps were under four different
A from PY.
The answer to this one already appears in our
section, where we say:
"Andrew Cole earned his first four
caps under four managers for an average of one manager per appearance, an
average that can only be bettered if the Football Association takes to firing
and hiring England managers at half-time. Cole
made his debut against Uruguay under Terry Venables in 1995, appeared next
against Italy under Glenn Hoddle at the
de France in 1997, made his third appearance against France under caretaker
manager Howard Wilkinson in 1999 and finally earned his fourth cap against
Poland under new manager Kevin Keegan in his first starting appearance a few
Q from Paul Ellse, Derby, England,
12 May 2003: Which ex-Brighton player had an England "career"
that lasted for eight minutes?
A from PY. It's Peter Ward, on as a late
substitute as England beat the Aussies 2-1 in the first official meeting
between the two teams on 31 May 1980 in Sydney. The only
substitution time we have is from an Australian source, which says Ward came on
at 85 minutes. So the difference is either due to discrepancies in
time-keeping or to your source counting some time which may have been added
on. This surely counts as one of the shortest England careers on record.
Q from Peter Smith, Crewe, (newly
promoted to the First Division, of course!), U.K., 9 May 2002:
Against whom and when did Michael Owen score his first goal for England?
There must be loads of sites with this information, but I just can't find
from PY. Owen’s first goal came
in England’s 1-0 victory against Morocco at
King Hussein II International Cup Tournament in Casablanca on
27 May 1998, just before
World Cup 1998. Owen came on at 26 minutes for his fourth England
appearance (his third as a substitute) when Ian Wright, playing alongside Dion
Dublin, went off with the hamstring injury that eventually forced his
withdrawal from consideration for the final World Cup squad due to be announced
the following week. Just seven minutes later Owen collided with the Moroccan goalkeeper and lay still for at least a couple of minutes
before staggering off the pitch dazed. Remarkably, he was allowed to
return, although he later said that he could remember nothing of the first
half. In the second half, at 57 mintues, Steve McManaman's pass
released Owen to sprint past the last Moroccan defender, draw the keeper
off his line and calmly slip the ball past him and into the net. At 18
years, 164 days, he supplanted Tommy Lawton as England's youngest goalscorer.
didn’t have to look this one up. We
watched the match via live satellite
telecast in a Los Angeles area pub,
and when Owen scored we leaped, arms in air, and yelled so loudly, strange
stares came from the Moroccans seated at the next table. We felt compelled to explain: “He’s
only 18 and that’s his first England goal.”
We think they understood our enthusiasm; they responded with nods, but no
Q from Paul Ellse, Derby, England,
8 May 2003: Whose England career
lasted 22 years?
A from PY. Stanley
Matthews made his England debut as a 19-year-old on 29 September 1934 in the
4-0 away victory against Wales. He
made his 54th and last appearance for England at age 42 on 15 May 1957 in
the 4-1 away win against Denmark. His
England career thus ended almost 23 years after it began.
During the seven-year break in official international play
occasioned by World War II, Matthews made another 29 England appearances in
unofficial wartime and victory internationals.
Known as the wizard of the dribble, Matthews maintained a vigorous physical
regimen and could easily have played on for England for a couple of more
years. His omission from England's World Cup 1958 squad was controversial
because his scintillating play continued to delight fans in top-flight English
from Peter Smith, Crewe, Cheshire,
U.K., 7 May 2003: Which England
international won his first cap in 1966 and his third in 1977?
A from PY: Ian
Callaghan played two matches in 1966, against Finland in a World Cup preparation
match and against France in the group phase of the final tournament
itself. The long-time Liverpool star, affectionately known as
"Cally," was among those orthodox attacking
wingers who could no longer find a place in the England team once manager
Ramsey fully settled on his “wingless wonders” formation.
After serious injury threatened his career in 1970, he became a central midfielder.
Although he continued to excel in league
play--he was the
Writers' Association Footballer of the Year in 1974--his third and fourth England
appearances did not come until more than 11 years after his first and second near the end of 1977,
when new manager
Ron Greenwood put
for his first two matches in charge, against Switzerland and
The following year, 1978, Callaghan's record-length Liverpool career ended when
he moved to Swansea City. His England career totals--4
appearances, 0 goals--hardly reflect his quality.
Q from Jim, London, U.K., 6 May 2003:
Can you answer this question, doing the rounds at the moment in
N.Z.: "What did the English international football team
do in October 1961 and in November 1981, but never in between?"
A from PY. England qualified for the
World Cup final tournament in October, 1961 and November, 1981, but never in
between. They were awarded a spot in the 1966 tournament as host nation
and in the 1970 tournament as defending champions, both without having to play
any qualification matches. They failed to qualify for the 1974 and 1978
tournaments. So there was a 20-year gap between their qualifications for
the 1962 and 1982 final tournaments, which were accomplished in qualification matches played in October, 1961 and November, 1981.
Q from Martin O'Neill, London, U.K., 5 May 2003:
I want to know the names of every right back that has played for
England since 1985 up until the present day.
also a very tricky question. Sometimes England have played a three-man back line
consisting entirely of central defenders plus either a sweeper or wingbacks but
no fullbacks. Sometimes England have had at right back players
who are out of their normal position--most
recently central defenders Sol Campbell and Wes Brown. One thus has
to know what formation was used to determine whether a
central defender or midfielder was played out of position at right back. Finally,
some players have changed positions and occupied right back for only part of a
A from PY. Normally
we wouldn't answer such a question because of the huge amount of time it takes
to prepare an answer. But we thought it interesting and so spent
a few hours on it. It required us to examine more than 200 match
example, right back problems proved overwhelming at
1992 European Championship. Manager Graham Taylor took to Sweden
England squad lacking any discernible right back because of a string of
injuries. When central defender Keith Curle proved a disaster at right
back in the opener against Denmark, Taylor took him off and moved Trevor Steven to right
back from midfield for the duration of the match.
Taylor dispensed with the need for a right back in the next match
against France, using three central defenders and a sweeper instead, and then put
midfielder David Batty in at right back for England's last match against host
all these reasons, we can’t guarantee our list will be either complete or entirely
correct, but we’ve done our best. If
this is one of those quiz questions, be warned that the quiz masters often don’t take such nuances into account, and so we certainly can’t
promise our answer will satisfy any quiz master. We can say we believe our answer is
probably more accurate and complete than any quiz master's.
With these cautions in mind, here goes.
We have listed particular matches only where the right back was playing out of
position. Those matches are the first, but not necessarily the only, match at
which the out-of-position player was at right back.
Gary Stevens, Mel
(as a substitute for the injured M. Gary
Stevens against Finland in
1992), Keith Curle (against Sweden at Euro 1992), Trevor
Steven (moved from midfield to right back when Curle was taken off against Sweden
at Euro 1992), David
Batty (against France at Euro 1992), David Bardsley,
Pearce (as a substitute for Rob Jones against Romania in 1994), Warren
Neville (usually at left back but sometimes started at right back and sometimes
moved to right back when substitutions made), Wes
Brown (against Hungary in 1999), Kieron
Dyer (against Luxembourg in 1999), Sol
Campbell (against Scotland in 1999),
John Pibeam, location not given, 4 May 2003: Who played in goal for Team
America in the 1976 U S A Bicentennial Cup?
PY. We don't have records of Team America's participation in
the U.S.A. Bicentennial
Cup tournament. It's difficult to find any information
because Team America's
matches are not regarded as official internationals since the side fielded
players who had played for other national teams. According
to an Italian source, Bob Rigby played in the 4-0 loss to Italy.
According to a Brazilian source, one "Martin" played in the 2-0 loss to
Brazil. Our guess is it must have
been Eric Martin of the Washington Diplomats. We don't know who played in goal
in the 3-1 loss to England, although, according to the
American Soccer History
Archives, another goalkeeper, Arnie Mausser of the Tampa Bay Rowdies, was on the
Team America squad, and he probably got a game in the tournament
since he was a U.S.A. national team goalkeeper at the time and on the North
American Soccer League's first
all-star team that year. If our readers have further information, please
let us know.
[We have since obtained a
copy of Keith Warsop's
British and Irish Special and
Intermediate Internationals (SoccerData, Nottingham, U.K., 2002), which
includes the summaries of a large number of unofficial internationals as well as
B team and Under-23 team internationals. It has Bob Rigby playing in goal
for Team America against England. And so Arnie Mausser apparently did not
play during the tournament.]
Q from Ken J. Ball, Bromsgrove,
Worcs., U.K., Scott Graham, Glasgow, Scotland, 30 April 2003, and George Sandy,
Chertsey, Surrey, England, 1 May 2003: Who is the only player to
play for England at every level ?
A from PY: This is obviously a quiz question since
we've received the same question from more than one person. We believe the
answer the quiz master wants is Terry Venables, although Edgar Kail, possibly
among others, would also be a correct answer since not all the levels of today
existed in the early years. See the
notes we have reproduced below from the
of Football Statisticians website. No
other player is likely to equal Venables' feat since the England amateur side no
Association of Football Statisticians website Thursday,
May 9, 2002
Today in History
09 May 1929
"When Edgar Kail, Dulwich Hamlet inside-forward, played for the full England team
against France in Paris he became the first player to have represented England
at every level. He had previously played for England Schools and England
Amateurs: there were no Youth or Under-23 sides at the time. Kail scored two
goals in a 4-1 win."
Association of Football Statisticians website Monday,
October 21, 2002
Today in History
21 October 1964
playing for England against Belgium at Wembley, Terry Venables, the Chelsea
forward, became the first player to appear for them at every level, schoolboy,
amateur, youth, Under-23 and 'Full'. He turned professional with Chelsea in 1960
but had made his debut by that time. He was transferred to Tottenham Hotspur in
April 1966 for a fee reported to be £80,000 and played in one match before the
season's end. Turned out in 202 League games for Chelsea and scored 26
Q from Tim Stewart, location not
given, 30 April 2003: Hope someone can put me out of my misery? What was
the name of one of England's coaching staff for the '66 final. Can only
remember his last name: Cocker.
A from PY: How quickly they forget! It's
only 37 years since England won the World Cup. The name you want is Les
Cocker, who was the team's trainer.
Q from Chris Smeeton, location not
given, 23 April 2003: Can you advise if it's true that England once
played in yellow shirt, blue shorts and yellow socks against Sweden away in the
World Cup qualifying match in 1974 which saw England's Alan Ball sent off and us
fail to qualify? If it is true, can you explain why this was and if it was
just the one occasion? Could they possibly have forgotten the kit
and have played in Sweden's kit? I
have a feeling this was also Bobby Moore's last game?
There are apparently at least four
occasions on which England wore an element of yellow in their uniforms, although
one of the matches was unofficial and none of them were against Sweden.
Why, you ask. We don't really know but have a couple of suggestions:
bad taste and idiocy at the Football Association.
We were there on 23 May 1976 when
England wore yellow socks along with their regular home white shirts and
blue shorts in a 1-0 loss against Brazil in Los Angeles at the
Bicentennial Tournament. This
ghastly sight is forever ingrained in our memory, along with the perm hair-do
Kevin Keegan sported that day. The following week, on 28 May 1976, in the
same tournament, England wore all-yellow strip in a 3-1 victory against Team
America. However, since Team
America, composed of stars from the North American Soccer League, included some who had previously played for
other national teams (Pele of Brazil, Bobby
Moore of England and Mike England of Wales, for example), the match was not an
official international. There's
photo on this website of yellow-clad captain Gerry Francis leading out England alongside
Team America's captain, former England captain Bobby Moore.
England apparently also wore
yellow jerseys in at least two earlier matches. The 11 August 2002 London Sunday
Time Sport Questions and Answers feature carried this item:
"Q Why did England's football
team play in a yellow strip against Poland in a World Cup qualifier in 1973?
"A There is no official
record of that, i.e. in International Committee minutes, but from memory (I was
there) England wore yellow shirts against Poland in Chorzow on June 6, 1973, and
against Italy eight days later, losing both matches 2-0. It may have been a
special hot-weather shirt. David Barber, FA historian"
It was Poland, not Sweden,
that was in England's World Cup 1974 qualifying group along with Wales.
It was the second qualifying match against Poland, at Wembley, a 1-1 draw on 17
October 1973, that saw England eliminated, although the earlier loss in Poland
certainly contributed to that failure to qualify.
was indeed sent off in the first match in Poland.
We are compiling
a list of the
uniform colours England wore in their various matches (we're complete back to
[nb. now 1946 and counting - CG], but it will be some time before we are able to confirm whether
David Barber's memory is correct
[...confirmed!]. The need for hot-weather shirts does not
excuse the use of yellow, as Barber implies.
White is more reflective of the sun's rays.
England wore special hot-weather shirts in Mexico in 1970, and they were
red and the non-traditional yet
The match in Poland in which
England apparently wore yellow shirts was not Bobby Moore's last match, but his
fourth from last. He then played in
the away friendlies against the U.S.S.R. and Italy that directly followed the
match in Poland. He was, however,
dropped from the later return match against Poland at Wembley, then returned for
his last hurrah in another friendly against Italy, this one at Wembley.
can find a complete list of Moore's England matches on this website.
Q from Dave Jones, location not
given, U.K., 16 March 2003: Please
could you confirm whether or not Terry Paine of Southampton FC ever played for
England and if he did was he ever captain?
There are complete
alphabetized lists of
players, with their appearance
and goal totals, and of
captains on this website.
In the rules for submitting questions,
mentioned at the top of this page, we warn we will not respond to questions whose
answers already are posted on the website.
But we’re softies, so here’s your answer.
Terry Paine made 19 appearances for England, scoring 7 goals. He
was never England captain. However, it should be noted that the Football
Association regards as captain only players who started a match as captain.
Some players have worn the captain's armband when the starting captain has gone
off, either injured or, in modern times, substituted. We don't have
complete records which allow us to say whether Terry Paine ever wore the
captain's armband in such circumstances.
It is highly unlikely, however, since Paine’s England career finished
before substitutions became allowable in every match, and, in any event, there
were always several players who would have been given the armband before Paine.
Q from Martyn, Wembley, U.K., 5
March 2002: Can you tell me if
Steve Froggett has ever been capped for England and when?
from PY: The unfortunate
Steve Froggatt, recently forced to retire
following his failure to recover from a
serious ankle injury, was never capped for the senior team, although he did play
for England’s Under-21 team. Manager
Kevin Keegan named him to the squad for England's two European Championship
2000 playoff qualification matches against Scotland in November, 1999, but he
did not see action.
Q from Mark Leech, London, U.K.,
24 February 2003: My Rothmans
annual states that David Seaman's first Under-21 appearance was in 1985. However, I know that he played in Bursa, Turkey in November
1984 for England Under-21s. Could
you please let me know of his first appearance for the England Under-21 team,
A from PY:
is not often wrong on England's national teams, but one does have to know how to read it.
lists David Seaman's England Under-21 matches in 1985 as Fi, T, Is--the abbreviated references
for Finland, Turkey and Israel--and so on, it is referring to matches played
during the 1984-85 season. The use
of only the second year as an abbreviated reference for the entire season is
usually explained at the beginning of the Rothmans section on England senior
team appearances. It would make
things a lot less confusing if the explanation were repeated in every section
where this seasonal abbreviation is used, but the editors try to save as much
space as possible. So David Seaman's first England under-21 match was
against Finland on 16 October 1984, his second was against Turkey on 13 November
1984, and his third against Israel on 27 February 1985. Compare Seaman's Under-21 appearances with the Rothmans
section which lists Under-21 results and their dates and you'll see this is the
only way the order of Seaman's appearances makes sense.
Q from James Hursey, Blackburn,
England, 12 February 2003 and Ian Carson, Denny, Scotland, 13 February, 2003: In 1982
a First Division club had six past and future England captains in the same team.
Which team was this?
Six England captains played for Southampton
FC in 1982. The six, with the number of times and the years they captained
England, were Alan Ball, 6, 1975, Mick Channon, 2, 1976-1977, Kevin Keegan, 31,
1977-1981, Mick Mills, 8, 1978-1982, Peter Shilton, 15, 1982-1990, and Dave
Watson, 3, 1981. All but Ball and Mills captained England at some
point during their spells at Southampton. Complete lists of England
captains, before and after-World War II, by
chronological order, by
of captaincies and by
as well as a
match-by-match list of
England captains, all with club affiliations noted, appear on this
from John Martin, location not given, 24 January 2003:
have just been having a wallow through your magnificent website and a couple of
statistics from the
F.A. Hall of
Fame section struck me as being a little unusual. Peter Shilton is listed as
having been substituted 15 times, which equates to once every 8 games. I am no
authority on Shilton's career but I don't recall him being a regular candidate
for the dreaded managerial withdrawal. The other unlikely figure concerned
Tommy Taylor, who is listed as having come on as a substitute once and having
been substituted once during an international career that extended from 1953 to
1957, well before substitutions were allowed so far as I am aware. Is it
me or have the powers that be made another couple of cock ups? Great site.
from PY: A
"wallow" for those who love the England team was precisely what we
intended; we appreciate that description. We understand why
these two sets of statistics would strike you as odd.
But they're accurate.
were permissible in friendly matches long before they became permissible in
competitive international play in 1970 provided both teams agreed in advance
that they would be allowed. Beginning
in 1950 when Jimmy Mullen became England's first substitute--and a successful
one since he scored-- in a friendly against Belgium, you will find the odd
friendly in which substitutions were made.
That's the reason for Tommy Taylor's numbers.
Nat Lofthouse came on for Taylor in the friendly against Finland on 20
May 1956 in Helsinki (and scored two goals).
Taylor replaced Johnny Haynes in the friendly
against Yugoslavia on 28 November 1956 at Wembley (and, strangely enough,
also scored two goals).
number of times Shilton was taken off has nothing to do with the level of his
performances. Following the end of Ray Clemence's international career in
late 1983, manager Bobby Robson had to give new keepers a go--after all, Shilts,
too, was getting on--and he'd bring them on at half-time in friendlies.
One of Robson's problems was England entering World Cup/European
Championship tournaments with only Shilton having international goalkeeping
experience. He had to pick
tournament back-up keepers, and he used substitute appearances both to try them
out and to give them international experience. He couldn't have known that Shilton was amazingly consistent
and indestructible at big tournaments, playing every
match at the major final tournaments England reached from 1982 through
1990--three World Cups and one European Championship.
first time Shilton was taken off was the 4-3 friendly loss to Austria on 13 June
1979. Clemence came on at half-time
with the score 3-1 for Austria. None
of the goals were Shilts' fault; manager Ron Greenwood had promised ahead of the
match that both keepers would play a half, and it was Shilts' misfortune to play
the first-half in a great
exhibition of attacking football by both sides.
rest of the Shilton substitutions:
Spinks for Shilton against Australia 19 June 1983.
Chris Woods for Shilton against Egypt on 29 January 1986.
Woods for Shilton against Israel 26 February 1986.
Woods for Shilton against Canada 24 May 1986.
Woods for Shilton against Spain 18 February 1987.
Woods for Shilton against Northern Ireland on 1 April 1987 (a European
Woods for Shilton against Switzerland 28 May 1988.
Woods for Shilton against Denmark 14 September 1988.
David Seaman for Shilton against Denmark 7 June 1989.
Dave Beasant for Shilton against Italy 15
Beasant for Shilton against Yugoslavia 13 December 1989.
Woods for Shilton against Brazil 28
Seaman for Shilton against
Czechoslovakia 25 April 1990.
Woods for Shilton against Denmark 15 May 1990.
Q from name not given, location
not given, 11 January 2003: Can you
name all England's managers since 1970.
Q & A 2003 - Part 2
Yes, I can, and so could
you if you bothered to look at
coaches/managers list on our website. By the way, Terry Venables
and Sven-Göran Eriksson were given the title national team head coach rather
than manager when they were appointed.