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Joe Spence

Manchester United FC

2 appearances, 1 goal

P 2 W 1 D 1 L 0 F 8: A 6
75% successful

1926-27

disciplined: none
captaincies:
none
minutes played:
180

Profile

Full name Private Joseph Spence
name notes Spence was born and died with just a forename, Joseph. It is only his Army Service Records and some newspaper articles in 1921 that have given him a middle name of Waters.
Waters, in fact, is his mother's maiden name. There is no 'Walter' anywhere except in Lamming's book.
In conclusion, it appears that Joseph signed himself as Joseph Waters from 1918 til the early 1920's.
Born 15 December 1898 in Throckley, Newburn-on-Tyne, Northumberland [registered as just 'Joseph', in Castle Ward, March 1899].

Census Notes

According to the 1901 census, Joseph is the youngest of two children, both sons, to William and Hannah (nee Waters), living at 62 Long Row in Throckley. His Scottish father is a coal mine hewer. Interestingly, the have two boarders, both uncle's, forty-old Joseph Waters and 31 year-old Dabiel Spence, both miners.

According to the 1911 census, schoolboy Joseph is now the second of five children, one sister and two more brothers. They live with their parents at 5 Oak Street in Throckley. His father is still a hewer, and still with a boarder, uncle Joseph Waters, also a hewer.
According to his Army Service Records, on 29 April 1918, Joseph Waters signed up for the Training Reserve Battalion. He is a putter in the coalmines still living at 5 Oak Street. Spence was discharged to continue with his coal mining.

According to the 1939 register, Joseph, an iron tube manufacturer and plain steel grinder, is married to Alice and they live at 113 Brockwell Lane in Chesterfield.

Married to Alice Lown [registered as Joseph W., in Castle Ward, September 1922].
Died 31 December 1966, aged 68 years 16 days [registered in Chesterfield, March 1967].
Height/Weight 5' 6" [1918], 5' 8", 11st. 0lbs [1925].

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990] & FindMyPast.com

Club Career

Club(s) Began his career playing centre-forward for Throckley Celtic FC. He joined Scotswood FC, also playing as centre-forward. Joined Manchester United FC as centre-forward in 1920.
Club honours x
Individual honours x
Distinctions Father of Joe Spence (York City FC, 1950-54)

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990].

England Career

Player number One of six who became 504th players (507) to appear for England.
Position(s) Outside-right (although being a club centre-forward)
First match No. 150, 24 May 1926, Belgium 3 England 5, an end-of-season friendly match at Olympisch Stadion, Antwerpen, aged 27 years 160 days.
Last match No. 151, 20 October 1926, England 3 Ireland 3, a British Championship match at Anfield Road, Anfield, Liverpool, aged 27 years 309 days.
Major tournaments British Championships 1926-27;
Team honours British Championships shared 1926-27;
Individual honours None
Distinctions Cousin of George Brown

Beyond England

x.  - An English Football Internationalists' Who's Who. Douglas Lamming (1990). Hatton Press, p.x.

 

Joe Spence - Career Statistics
Squads Apps Comp.
Apps
Mins. Goals Goals Av.min Comp.
Goals
Capt. Disc.
4 2 1 180 1 180 min 1 none none
Due to the fact that many matches rarely stuck to exactly ninety minutes long, allowing time for injuries, errors and substitutions.  The minutes here given can only ever be a guideline and cannot therefore be accurate, only an approximation.

 

Joe Spence - Match Record - All Matches - By Type of Match
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts % W/L
Home - British Championship 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
Away - Friendly 1 1 0 0 5 3 +2 0 0 5.00 3.00 100.0 +1
All 2 1 1 0 8 6 +2 0 0 4.00 3.00 75.0 +1

 

Joe Spence - Match Record - Tournament Matches
British Championship Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 1926-27 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
BC All 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
All Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
All 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0

 

Joe Spence - Match History
 Club: Manchester United F.C. - 2 full caps

Coach: F.A. International Select Committee - 2 full capsx

Age 27
1 150 24 May 1926 - Belgium 3 England 5, Olympisch Stadion, Antwerpen tour AW Start or
- 151 27 May 1926 - France vs. England, Stade Olympique Yves-du-Manoir, Paris - match postponed App squad member
2 151 20 October 1926 - England 3 Ireland 3, Anfield Road, Liverpool BC HD Start 47 or
Age 28
- 158 28 November 1927 - England 1 Wales 2, Turf Moor, Burnley BC HL reserve

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