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Alf Harvey

Wednesbury Strollers FC

1 appearances, 0 goals

P 1 W 0 D 0 L 1 F 0: A 1
0% successful

1881

disciplined: none
captaincies:
none
minutes played:
90

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Full name Alfred Harvey
Source Notes Based on two Alfred Harvey's in the Warwickshire area on the 1881 census, where he was playing his football.  There were others of course, that maybe considered unlikely, but cannot be ruled out, nonetheless. Full list below:-
General Notes His name was confirmed by fellow villian Archie Hunter in his 1890 autobiography. Apart from that, little is known about Alf Harvey.
Born January to March 1854 in Birmingham, Warwickshire [registered in Birmingham, March 1854].

Census Notes

There are no Birmingham-born Alfred Harvey's from the Birmingham area in the 1861 census.

According to the 1871 census, there is no 1854-Birmingham-born Alfred Harvey.
There is however a fourteen year-old, the third of nine children to Joseph and Mary, living in Aston village. He was born in Aston and is a gun barrel borer.

According to the 1881 census, 27 year-old Alfred is a tin plate worker, married to Hannah with two children, Albert and Rose Hannah. They live at 3 Kyrwicks Lane in Aston.
The other Alfred is 24, and is still a gun barrel borer. He now lives at The Clarenden Arms in Upper Webster Street in Aston with his parents and siblings.
There is a third Alfred Harvey's in Aston, another 23 year-old was visiting having been born in Leicester. He was staying with his Uncle John Harvey at 2 Wheeler Street in Aston. He was an assistant Bachelor of Medicine at a London University.

According to the 1891 census, Alfred, still a tinplate worker, still married, now has four more children, Gertrude, Amy, Ernest and Alfred. They live at 142 Highgate Road in Kings Norton, Balsall Heath.
The other 34 year-old Aston-born Alfred is cannot be found on this census.

According to the 1901 census, tin plate worker, Alfred and Hannah had four more children, Beatrice, George, Frank and Alice, to add to the three who had remained. They live at 142 Highgate Road in Kings Norton.
The Aston-born Alfred Harvey is still a gun barrel borer, now married to Margaret June (née Jenkins), living at 6 Park Grove in Aston.

According to the 1911 census, Alfred is a sheet metal worker, still married to Hannah, and have five of their children living with them at 83 Larches Street in Sparkbrook, in Aston. The census returns reveals that of their thirteen children, five had died.
The 54 year-old Aston-born Alfred was boarding with the American's Addicott's in Coventry. Still married, now 'Tool Stores!'!

Married to Hannah Beatrice Breedon [registered in Birmingham, December 1871].
Died July to September 1935, aged 81 years n/k days [registered in Birmingham, September 1935]. If we are right in the above assumption, then this is his death registration.
All the 1881 possibilties One leading authority on this subject, Patrick Talbot, seems to favour another Alf Harvey. One that was born in Walsall in 1861, and was an apprentice saddler. 
The 1861 census reveals that this Alfred Harvey was two months old, born in Walsall to Matthew and Mary, the youngest of six. His father is an Iron and Brass Founder employing 62. They had a servant and a governess, living at 34 Windmill Street in Walsall.
The 1871 census confirms that Alfred is still the youngest, and that five sons live with their parents at Belview House in Sandwell Street in Walsall.
In 1881, Alfred is back at 34 Windmill Street with his father and older brother and a servant. He is an apprentice Saddler.
In 1891, Alfred has married Rose and is a manufacturer of harnesses. They live at Queeslett Hill in Handsworth in West Bromwich.
This Alfred Harvey died aged 38 in West Bromwhich, registered December 1899.
Staffordshire-born 31 year-old shoemaker born in Stone; 23 year-old coalminer born in Rugeley; 21 year-old potter born in Stoke-on-Trent; 20 year-old apprentice saddler in Walsall; or a 19 year-old bricklayer born in Stoke-on-Trent.
Birmingham-born 32 year-old tinplate stamper; 27 year-old tinplate worker (the only one in Aston at this time!); a 24 year-old gun barrel borer (who turned up in Aston in 1901); a 19 year-old gun engraver, Alfred G.; Alfred H. was a 32 year old tie and colourman born in Sheldon.
Height/Weight not known

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990], FindMyPast.com & Patrick Talbot's White Shirt, Black Country [2004].

Club Career

Club(s) Wednesbury Strollers; also represented Staffordshire FA; Archie Hunter's autobiography confirmed Harvey was playing for Aston Villa FC in 1883. From September 1883 to February 1884, he was playing for Holte Villa FC. Further reports him playing for Birmingham Excelsior from October 1886 to October 1888.
Club Notes According to one source, he played for Aston Villa FC.  R.A. Harvey did play for them in the 1880's.  One source suggests he was a full back but another that he played in goal in successive Birmingham Senior Cup finals against Walsall Swifts in 1884 and 1885.  Additionally, R.A. came from Notts Rangers and went on to Normanton, suggesting his origins were from East Midlands. - White Shirt, Black Country. Patrick Talbot (2004). The Black Country Society, p21.
Club honours None
Individual honours None
Distinctions None

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990].

England Career

Player number One of seven who became the 81st players (82) to appear for England.
Position(s) Full-back
Only match No. 12, 26 February 1881, England 0 Wales 1, a friendly match at East Lancashire Cricket Ground, Alexandra Meadows, Blackburn, aged 26/27 years n/k days. (He was 27 on 3 April 1881)
Major tournaments None
Team honours None
Individual honours None
Distinctions First 'Black Country' player to be capped by England, yet remains elusive;

Beyond England

A clever defender, apparently, but nothing more can be told about him.  If we are correct with our presumption, and it is only an educated guess, he was a Tin Plate Worker in Aston. - An English Football Internationalists' Who's Who. Douglas Lamming (1990). Hatton Press, p.123./FindMyPast.com

 

Alf Harvey - Career Statistics
Squads Apps Mins. Goals Goals Av.min Capt. Disc.
1 1 90 0 0 min none none
Due to the fact that many matches rarely stuck to exactly ninety minutes long, allowing time for injuries, errors and substitutions.  The minutes here given can only ever be a guideline and cannot therefore be accurate, only an approximation.

 

Alf Harvey - Match Record - All Matches - By Type of Match
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts % W/L
Home - Friendly 1 0 0 1 0 1 -1 1 0 0.00 1.00 0.00 -1
All 1 0 0 1 0 1 -1 1 0 0.00 1.00 0.00 -1

 

Alf Harvey - Match History
 Club: Wednesbury Strollers F.C. - 1 full cap

Coach: F.A. Committee (Charles Alcock) - 1 full capx

Age 26/27
1 12 26 February 1881 - England 0 Wales 1, East Lancashire Cricket Club, Blackburn Fr HL Start fb

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